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[Fal]

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Ok, so I like using big words to express myself as a method to get noticed, and by the looks of it, it worked.
First off:

J. H. Flavell first used the word "metacognition".[citation needed] He describes it in these words:

    Metacognition refers to one’s knowledge concerning one’s own cognitive processes or anything related to them, e.g., the learning-relevant properties of information or data. For example, I am engaging in metacognition if I notice that I am having more trouble learning A than B; if it strikes me that I should double check C before accepting it as fact.
    —J. H. Flavell (1976, p. 232).

I find it amusing how gray the comments on the game are. I haven't found one person against the opinions of the other for either, they all found a middle ground, or they all... we all think alike in this middle ground showing that this isn't a side of two contradicting things, or is it? I am skeptic, and I believe in the scientific method that for something to be a scientific theory it must go through questioning and survive it. It must go through a devil's advocate. Now...I'm wondering about when I did write "we", if it includes me. For I am always looking for a middle ground, but the method I use to decide if something is right contradicts where I am trying to get at.

One more thing, Isn't this middle ground just a black or white sort of extreme to what another might speak? Maybe. But maybe like the person in the game, he though he found the right ground, the middle ground in his search for correctness but in fact was either black or white. Are we as gray as we should be, is the gray we think of as gray as it has to be?

I really like how the game is so open, so general, making everyone who looks (plays) at it has a different view, but in all a similar view to each other. It's like a painting that should be held up in a museum and cherished. The game reflects real life and makes its community (the players who posted their ideas)think and act as the protagonist and forget that they are also the mass.

Just one more thing, It's ending I swear this is the last thing in this post. I believe that the world needs that kind of thing happening. Exactly how the game shows it to be. You need to express your ideas and go against who contradicts them, always. This will lead others to change their mind, but it makes them think by themselves and turn into protagonists. At one point you will reach the conscience thought out by Karl Marx(I am no communist, in fact I have chosen a capitalist lifestyle and thinking for it suits the moment so I can survive in this world but I leave aside my inner thoughts of attempting to reach a middle ground). In Karl Marx's point of view, one can only reach consciousness by ones self. It can't be taught. One must question ones thoughts like the protagonist (making others think) and at the end, find his middle ground, the middle ground, what one actually thinks, which may be the middle ground for us all (or not for the different customs, at least reach a tolerance with the other customs of the people who weren't in that city, if you understand me). But once that person reaches that middle ground, Others of the extreme won't listen to him for they will have turned into protagonists and unlike him/her, may not find the middle ground (ever).

Remember, when there is black and white for us to find a gray, gray may be the opposite some other unknown color. But we do not know the color, unless we have actually found the middle ground. For those who didn't understand that or just say, oh, there isn't a color we don't know I will simplify. What you think is gray may be the black of one or the white of another. If you check other societies you will see that it is very different from your own. Do you think you can get a middle ground between your and another society which may have contradicting morals and taboos to your own. Who would be right?

Those are my thoughts. My black on the gray (or white, whatever). Hope you understand them, because even I have trouble understanding my mind.
But this all leaves me with one question I can't seem to answer.

What color does a blind man see? 

[Fal]

Please reply, anyone, creators, passersby, anyone, anything.

[godatplay]

I agree with your point about "other colors."  Things aren't always one-dimensional like from black to white.  Thus is life.

[Klatoo]

I once knew this guy who had a profound shift in perspective, it radically changed many of his core beliefs. I suspect it was the result of doing LSD for the first time as his profound revelation is one that seems to be common among people who do LSD, but his substance use is pure speculation. From his behaviour I would assume that, LSD induced or not, he had one of those moments of clarity where whatever it is you are thinking about becomes crystal clear, seems incredibly simple, and you feel as if a great secret has been revealed to you. His profound revelation was that there is no such thing as 'other'. He realized that all of existence is a single whole, that everything is connected to everything else, and that the divisions between even atoms is just a concept imposed by humans. I don't think he is incorrect in this.

But, just as otherness is a human concern so is sameness. To view the universe as an arbitrarily large number of distinct quanta that interact in complex ways I think is just as valid. There is no such thing as 'same'. All is one, all is separate, all is everywhere inbetween simultaneously. It is valid to call a chair a chair even though it is both more and less than just that one thing. To view any single spot on that continuum as inherently superior to all others I think is incorrect. Every single spot on that continuum is valid, though more or less useful to whatever task is at hand. The reality of it is more like a line than a point. (Probably it's more like a complex solid not necessarily bound to three dimensions than a line, but a line is much easier to visualize while still conveying the idea).

I tell this story to present a concept. If there is a word that expresses this concept clearly I don't know it, so I've resorted to storytelling. The idea that Black, White, Gray, and every other color may be both real and illusion at the same time. They can be both opposites and just two points on a circle at the same time. They can be both important and trivial without contradiction.

A wise man once said, "I am what I am and that's all what I am". It may seem like I'm being flippant but I sincerely stand by that quote as a pearl of wisdom, it's one of my favorites. Perhaps it's both silly and serious. A is A, a seemingly pointless repetition of an often forgotten fact. Humans see so many patterns and add so much meaning to things that I think we often forget what a thing is and instead begin to only see it as the meaning we've added to it.

I don't think I've done anything here but ask more questions, this game seems to lend itself to questions without answers. There is one question that I think I can answer though:

What color does a blind man see? Any color he can imagine.

[Glauro]

Hello everyone!
Well, I just loved to see people discussing about their thoughts based on this wonderful game.

One thing I wanted to say is that this game just reflects most of the religion issues we have today(in my opinion and experience).
 I study in a religious school and I find very frustrating the idea the teachers pass to the students, well, they say "aw, if you're not with our god then you are with the devil", but, I've never seen them trying to learn something deeper about the so unholy religions they keep attacking. And then I started to discover new ideas, new religions and opinions, and I found out that every single religion we have today came from the same path. This path, let us say, is the gray, and from this gray other colors originated, and these colors were modified by the years, until they became completely hostiles.
One good point me and my friends found was about the Creationism and Evolutionism endless fight:
 "Ok, now, who said that God couldn't have caused the explosion?! And who said that the explosion couldn't have created God?!"

And the worst is that if I say to one of my teachers that the white religion probably came from the same origins as the black religion, these origins being the gray, they are going to call me a devil worshiper...

Who said there is only 1 or 0? Life is not a command sintax is it?

In a white to black scale, I'm right in the middle.

There's a very intelligent phrase used as a motto by the anthroposophical society:
"There is no religion higher than truth"

I wish to thank you for your time.

And I didn't mean to cause any conflict inside this topic. Take care everyone. 

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the hostilities between the white and black made the original gray an unknown color. Just like Fal said. And because of these conflicts no one wants to find out new ways, they just keep hitting the same spot, harder and harder, hoping it will soon break, and cursing it if it doesn't.

[dopepoo]

A wise man once said, "I am what I am and that's all what I am".

I go by a similar saying:

I am that I am.

In other words: where your attention is, there you are.

 

[adam80027]

Perhaps the real sociological experiment is not to see if the player realized the "right" interpretation; at least one that vaguely fits the implications of the game itslef. But that the whole point of the game is there to be no right or seemingly right message in it. The game just is. It is in its very nature to have infinitely conflicting possibilities. I think game goes deeper than political wings, conflicting views, and so forth. It teaches something about conflicts in of themselves. But in truth, you can perceive it at any level. Its main factors are extremity and ambiguity, right?

Black and white are just colors used to express extremity, but what is extremity? It is only relative to its "opposite", which is in turn only opposite to it because we designate it so. What makes positive positive and negative negative? A math teacher would tell you, "they're opposites on a number line." But, those pre-conceptions aside, don't 10 and -10 have the same absolute value? A distance from zero? Extremity is relative. So what is ambiguity? What is the zero on the number line?

Am I choosing a "grey" area by saying that the game has no true meaning? No, my theory is also an extremity, in relation to one who says that it does. Even in saying that it has no answer, I attempt to answer it in saying so. If extremes are relative, given meaning only by attachment to another idea, doesn't this make ambiguity- something that is not completely either extremity, yet it still exists as part of one and the other. Ambiguity is just skewed extremity. A thought that is only split because it is perceived as a "part" of two perspectives. Without the mention of the two thoughts it is a "part" of, does it stand alone?